What Have You Heard About Iraq?

Afterward, there was a discussion. A Vietnam vet said this generation of troops are professional soldiers, whereas he and many of his era were draftees. A current National Guard sergeant who is being redeployed soon said he was disgusted by the material, especially quotes from US soldiers. He said they sounded like fascist, Nazi stormtroopers, when this image was nothing like the people he worked with and knew. He demanded the audience recognize the troops' service to them. A therapist said she had patients who were war veterans suffering "cognitive dissonance": opposing realities between who they felt they should be/were and who they were as soldiers. And she remarked that the soldiers aren't serving her because she doesn't want them over there. The last person to speak said he's a nobody, and he bets most people in the room are nobodies, so all this discussion doesn't really matter because wars are fought for money and strategic economic reasons, and corporations are responsible for ultimately starting and ending wars so there's nothing ordinary people can do.
Like I said, I've been largely ignorant of what's going over there now, so I am curious what the dialogue is between people for/against keeping American military in Iraq? How would pulling out affect that country's stability and regeneration now that the war(s) has totally wrecked their infrastructure? Is that a problem for the UN or Iraqis themselves or who? I don't really know what my opinion is because I'm not all that informed anymore.. I would just like not to ignore accountability.
I also want to say that I have a number of friends and cousins who are in the army and were sent to/are there in that region. They are in their early 20s; I don't know the statistics but I'm sure many of the soldiers are in that age range. My friends joined the military to pay for college, to escape small towns, to get a free ride traveling the world and have exciting adventures, to become more disciplined. Of all the reasons they gave me, nobody had said, "For democratic ideals. For serving the country." These may have been part of the package, but they weren't truthfully main driving motivations. Idealistic verbage keeps being bandied around because it sounds noble and makes any critic seem evil and coldhearted, and I think part of the reason I got so disillusioned with political journalism was because of extremist rhetoric rather than down to earth, rational discussions.
Last summer, one of my friends, who joined the army so he could afford a degree but still hasn't been able to finish in 6 years b/c of training and deployment, was home from Afghanistan for a few weeks before being sent back. At a BBQ, I heard him say, "We are taught to kill them first before they kill us. It's either their life or mine so yes, I will shoot them first. I have to think that way or I'll die."
What have you heard?
2 Comments:
i was pretty politically active on this subject up until i came to texas. and it's such a divided issue that there is really no middle ground from what i can tell. on the one hand, you have the war hawks who think we're doing the right thing, we did the right thing, and even though the intelligence was wrong we were right to go in anyway. then you have the other side where they believe that the war was a mistake, we should never have gone in, and we should pull out asap. even among active members of the military that i have talked to there is no position in between.
even for me, i think we should pull out asap, but i also know that we can't just leave without creating some semblance of stability. and it has to be done in such a way that the people who control the insurgency can't take the credit for "driving us out". basically we need to pull out while legitimizing the government that was elected at the same time. and that's going to be tough. there's a GREAT quote from daddy bush written in his memoirs that i would put here but it's incredibly long, so i will link you to it:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/gulfwar.asp
Hi, I am here from Etchen's blog. I am one of those that think we need to stay until things are stable. It really doesn't matter what my view was before because we are there and the damage has been done and it would be irresponsible to leave that country in turmoil. This is a blog I read sometimes from a soldier that was there and is now back in the states. He did some amazing things while serving.
http://johniniraq.blogspot.com/
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